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            <title>Paul's Gospel</title>
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            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fpaul-s-gospel&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We refer to him as the
apostle to the Gentiles (I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want a capital 'A' there)
and yet isn't it odd how little of Paul's gospel preaching to the Gentiles is actually
recorded in the book of Acts. Depending on your view of how the Bible was
inspired you would have thought that the Holy Spirit would have prompted Luke
to give us a lot more examples of how it's done.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Good news to the Jews&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;That's not to say that we
don't have any examples of Paul's preaching in Acts; we do. But most of it is
him preaching to his fellow Jews and mostly done in synagogues. His letters, it
is true, are full of his deeply thought-out theology on the gospel - but
they're all letters to churches, that is to those who were already Christians.
So they can't be held up as an example of how he preached to non-believing
Gentiles.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In fact a close look at Acts
would suggest that there is only one detailed sermon to a Gentile audience in
the whole of the book - Paul's sermon to the Athenians in 17:22ff. You might
want to count his talk to Agrippa as well (26:1ff) but he was arguably at least
partly Jewish and anyway this is less a sermon more a defence speech.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Good news to the Gentiles&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;So his sermon in the
Areopagus has to be the sole example of how Paul thought was the best approach
to preaching the gospel to pagan Gentiles. But then you read it and see that
there is no mention of personal salvation in there; no threat of hell nor
promise of eternal heaven; not even a word about the cross. He is quite
positive about their stumbling across the true God and fills in a lot of the
gaps in knowledge they have about him. Above all he appeals to them to change
their mind about worshiping a myriad of little deities and to make the Creator
of heaven and earth their exclusive God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;It's good stuff. But it's
not the Gospel. Is it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!-- Lockerz Share BEGIN --&gt;
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            <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 07:28:09 +0100</pubDate>
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            <title>A Revival Centre</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/a-revival-centre</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fa-revival-centre&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last Wednesday I posted the
first in a series on revival. I was a little fearful since I know many of my readers
(like myself) are within the charismatic stream which has highly valued
revivals within church history and for a period put a lot of effort into
praying for a fresh outpouring. The response to that post surprised me; it
would seem that many are asking similar questions themselves. So let's plough
on.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Growth&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Though far too early to
properly evaluate the revival experienced in Pensacola in the 1990s, it is
possible to draw some conclusions from the AP report on the Brownsville
church's current predicament of being crippled by debt. I'll post some thoughts
on debt itself in my next post, but today I want to look at why they borrowed
so much money. The reason given is that they wanted to grow their church during
the revival. According to the report they bought many houses in the vicinity of
their church building so that they could be demolished to make room for a
larger car park. They also built an additional sanctuary - seating 2,600 -
specifically for the revival throng. Whilst I can understand their desire to
cater for the millions who visited, this action of growing the church structure
gives us an interesting insight into how revival is viewed by many.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Spiritual depth?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;First, revival is seen as
something that grows the church. Individuals are 'saved' - and there is nothing
wrong with that - and are then added to the church. Revival is seen as a quick
and easy way of growing the church roll by winning new converts in large
numbers. Of course, this has always been as aspect of what revivals have been
about, but when we read, for example, of the prayers offered by church leaders
before the Welsh revivals of 1858 and 1904, it isn't growth that was on their
mind but the spiritual condition of those already within the flock. Depth of
spirituality came first and church growth was a secondary effect. Has this
desire to grow large churches has left us a legacy of skin deep spirituality? I
think many in the US would say it has.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Revival centre&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Second, the adding to the
church structure in Pensacola tells us something about the concept of a
'revival centre'. It was somewhere you went to, to experience revival. God had
showed up in the seaside city and people flocked there from all over the world.
No doubt many caught the fire and took it home with them but when the
definitive history of Pensacola is written I doubt we'll be talking about a
revival that touched the world. I have no problem with the fire being centred
somewhere - but fire, especially wildfire, is meant to spread, not stay in one
place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;There have been other
examples of revival being centred in one locality. The tiny village of
Llangeitho in west Wales comes to mind. Llangeitho was the home of Daniel
Rowland - an Anglican priest who drew thousands of visitors to his church in
the first spring of the Methodist revival of the 1700s. But when the parish
church was too small for these temporary congregations Rowland did not build a
new sanctuary, he held his services in the churchyard. And the real genius of
this revival is that the other big name from the period, Howell Harris,
gathered the converts into small groups so that they could be cared for and
discipled once they had gone home. Those local gatherings were just as powerful
as the preaching centre that was Llangeitho - proving that God is as present on
the periphery as he is in the core.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!-- Lockerz Share BEGIN --&gt;
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            <title>An Educated Ministry</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/an-educated-ministry</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fan-educated-ministry&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe one of the toughest chapters for me to review in &lt;i&gt;Pagan Christianity&lt;/i&gt; is the one on
educating church leaders. As someone who has three degrees in theology I am
almost bound to find fault in what they say. Let me make two points straight
off, therefore, and you can judge whether I have been prejudicial or not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Critique&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;To begin with it is odd to find such a strong argument against a higher
or university education in theology within a book that is so well researched
itself. Viola and Barna have a particularly well developed gift of presenting
their points in language all could understand – but that should not divert our
attention from the fact that their historical research has been as wide as it
has been deep. Layman’s language it may be, but it is well educated theologians
that are responsible for bringing us this work. Secondly, there surely must be
room within the church for those who can tackle theological issues at a deep
level. To understand the Bible does indeed take a spirit of revelation – as &lt;i&gt;PC&lt;/i&gt; says – but it also takes good and
faithful translating, it takes digging into the context of words, it takes
historical exploration. To not make the case for this is a serious lack in my
view.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;Agreement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;But enough of the negative. Let me try and find areas of agreement.
There is no doubt whatsoever that PC is correct in saying that knowledge and
intellect do not of themselves lead to a greater knowledge of God. It takes
spirit to spirit revelation for this to happen and academic study is no
substitute. Since it is by revelation that this happens it means that all
believers – whatever their academic attainment may be – are able to receive it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;It also means that anyone who would want to lead a congregation would
need to have experienced this process themselves. Formal academic training is
not necessary for this to happen – indeed it may work against it since there is
such an emphasis on the rational mind within the educational establishments,
both secular and religious. The practice of sending anyone who senses the call
to an aspect church leadership to gain an academic qualification is
particularly criticised by &lt;i&gt;PC&lt;/i&gt;. And in
this they are correct. As someone who has been through the system myself I know
how inadequate such training can be as far the many practical and pastoral
issues of church leadership are concerned. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Defining ministry&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Part of the problem, of course, lies in the definition of ‘ministry’
which in most church traditions is far removed from the NT definition, which
has a variety of roles defined under such a general term. Once a full time,
jack-of-all-trades ministry was accepted as the pattern by the church it was
then a very small step to see the need for a formalized education for those who
aspired to the position. Having a different understanding of ministry within
the church – where a variety of gifts are recognized as being within several
different people – could lead to the church once again becoming the training
centre for such gifts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;What do you think? Is the local church sufficient in training all its
people in ministry? Is there a need for para-church centers or academies to
give some the additional training required? And are some needed to specialize
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            <title>Paul on Adam and Eve</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/paul-on-adam-and-eve</link>
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&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fpaul-on-adam-and-eve&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So we've been looking at
Paul and how he writes about Adam and Jesus, sin and salvation. If you read
last week's post you will know that I've been making some general points before
coming to Romans 5. What I'm trying to do (in case you're here for the first
time) is to show that it isn't necessary to believe in an historic Adam and Eve
just because Paul draws a parallel between them and Jesus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;Who fell?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;But we've just hit one
little point that needs to be touched upon already. Paul doesn't draw a
parallel between Adam and Eve and Jesus - just between Adam and Jesus. His use
of Adam 1 and Adam 2 makes a great point. It's clever; it's simple; it hammers
home the truth about what Jesus has accomplished through his one act of
obedience. It's Paul at his theological best. But he isn't being true to
Scripture. The Genesis story talks about Eve being the one taken in by the
snake and then persuading her partner of the value of eating the fruit. Yes,
Adam fell for it and was disobedient. But they both fell that day. And in fact
Paul himself is quite happy to draw Eve into the frame when it comes to opining
about women taking on teaching roles in the church. In fact it's worth quoting
that verse in full it is so startling: 'And it was not Adam who was deceived,
but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression' (1Timothy 2:14). But
Paul could hardly have referred to Jesus as the 'Second Eve', could he.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Interpretation&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;So Paul is quite happy to
use the text according to his own theological needs at the time. That is, he is
interpreting the text. Something we all do - including those who claim they're
taking the Bible at face value. And as I say he makes his point really well.
It's really powerful - but that doesn't mean we have to believe that an actual
person called Adam existed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Universalism?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;There are some other points
about Romans 5 that should make us ask questions. Paul says that Adam's
disobedience has universal implications - 'the result of one trespass was
condemnation for all men' and 'the result of one act of righteousness was
justification that brings life for all men' (5:18). Is Paul an universalist,
therefore, believing that everybody gets saved? Few would make this point and
as if to counter it he quickly changes the 'all' to 'many' in the very next
verse. Is this sloppy thinking on his part or is it just that Paul realises
that the parallel isn't quite as good as he first thought?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;There's also another point
that should make us question. In verse 12 he says, 'death came to all men, &lt;i&gt;because all sinned&lt;/i&gt;'. What does Paul mean
here? Did death enter the world because Adam sinned or because we all sin like
Adam? Many words have been written trying to explain this verse - suggesting
that Paul lacks clarity on the point. While the parallel is good, it is not
perfect. And it is certainly no mathematical equation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Which is why insisting from
this passage that in order to believe in a real Jesus we have to believe in a
real Adam really doesn't make much sense. Accepting that Genesis 1-3 is a myth
does nothing to undermine the good news about what Jesus has done. But neither
do we undermine the powerful truth that Genesis 1-3 contains by saying it is a
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            <title>The Pensacola Outpouring</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/the-pensacola-outpouring</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fthe-pensacola-outpouring&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it inevitable that a once
powerful revival turns into dust? As a trained Welsh revival historian I could
make a pretty good case for saying so. Acrimony between leaders, false claims, wise
counsel ignored, and final disappointment - all characteristics of revivals in
the past, not that you usually read of these things in books published after
the event. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;There, only the undoubtedly
positive side of revivals is recorded. After all there are plenty of good
things to be said about these events - it's just that the negative things also
existed but are rarely discussed, thus ensuring important lessons are rarely
learned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;Pensacola&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;It probably shouldn't have
surprised me then to read the &lt;a class=&quot;&quot; _fcksavedurl=&quot;http://blog.brownsvilleag.org/associated-press-article&quot; href=&quot;http://blog.brownsvilleag.org/associated-press-article&quot;&gt;recent AP report&lt;/a&gt; on the Brownsville AOG church
that experienced the so called Pensacola Revival back in the mid-1990s but that
is now struggling to survive under a mountain of debt. But I was surprised and
certainly saddened by their story. Attendance figures are still high compared
to the UK - and stratospheric compared to Wales - but the drop from over 5,000
a night to a total of a thousand over two Sunday services is quite remarkable. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;End-times revival&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;It was hailed by Yonngi Cho
as a revival that would last until Jesus's return. (The same thing was said
about the 1857 revival in the US.) And it was used by many church leaders
around the globe as the thing to go for in their locality. Indeed this was
exactly how it was presented in the church I was attending at the time. The
greatest need of the UK church, it was said, was revival. And here we had an
example of what we should be reaching for. Pensacola was accepted without any
critical evaluation whatsoever and whilst many individuals who travelled there
were deeply touched by their experience, they did not 'bring the fire home'.
Not to our church, certainly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Evaluating what went wrong
is a nigh on impossible job for me with such a dearth of resources and it is
probably too soon to be doing so anyway. And yet from the little we know I
think it is possible to draw some lessons about revivals in general and maybe
even about the charismatic movement in how it relates to revivalism. This is
what I want to do over the next few weeks in the Wednesday slot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!-- Lockerz Share BEGIN --&gt;
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            <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 09:00:54 +0100</pubDate>
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            <title>Football</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/football</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Ffootball&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I presume it was John Terry
who lifted the cup for Chelsea on Saturday evening. I have to presume because
as a frustrated Liverpool supporter I had switched off on the last shriek of
the ref's whistle, disappointed and despondent that 'we' had failed once again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;This year's FA cup final was
different. It was not played on the last Saturday of the football season; the
final showpiece this year will go to the last round of the Premier League. It
was also moved from its usual 3.00pm kick-off, starting instead at 5.00. Both
changes broke with tradition - but hardly earth-shattering. Mess with
footballing custom, however, and you risk having to face a lot of anger. And
sure enough the social media outlets were clogged up by complaining fans. For
some, soccer's rituals are immutable. Never mind that working class men used to
work till Saturday lunchtime and the 3.00pm kick-off was established to suit
them; or that the Champions' League is now the big finish to the season (those
damned Europeans again). The facts may change but football stays the same.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;And when that old chorus, &lt;i&gt;We Shall not be Moved&lt;/i&gt;, is sung in unison
&lt;s&gt;from the pews&lt;/s&gt; from the terraces trying to bring about change can be
quite hard. But fair play to the FA they managed it. And despite the break with
convention the game was still played and the trophy was still won. I imagine
the cup gleamed as it was held aloft by Terry. Gutted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!-- Lockerz Share BEGIN --&gt;
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            <pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 08:08:05 +0100</pubDate>
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            <title>Adam and Paul</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/adam-and-paul</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fadam-and-paul&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the last post in this
series on Genesis I looked at the whole issue of sin and whether we have to
hold on to a historical Adam in order to make sense of it, since sin and
salvation are issues which force some people to reject the scientific evidence
and thus insist on a literal reading of the text. As I pointed out in that post
this is not necessary. But the question is then raised of what should we make
of Paul? After all he linked the idea of Adam's sin and Jesus obedience very
closely to each other. Does this alter things? Must we be literalist in our
reading of Genesis because Paul was?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;Paul's worldview&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;There is little doubt that
Paul probably viewed the Genesis story about Adam, Eve and the fall as a
historical event. But he also would have believed in a six day creation, a flat
earth, and a geocentric universe where the sun revolves around the earth. That
is, Paul had an ancient, pre-scientific understanding of the world and that is
not the least bit surprising; he was a product of his time and this fact does
nothing to undermine the idea that he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write
as he did.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;So we must take Paul
seriously. When we read him in Romans 5 drawing a parallel between Adam and
Jesus this is something we cannot just ignore. But does this parallel then
force us to read Genesis as literal, historical truth? Before we come to the
passage itself let's make a few points.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Paul's parallel&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;First, there is no need
whatsoever for us to reject the historicity of Jesus when we reject the
historicity of Adam. This is often the point made by conservatives - since Paul
has drawn a parallel between Jesus and Adam then we have to accept both as
real, historical characters. But this is a false proposition. After all, Paul
wasn't constructing a mathematical equation where both sides have to be equal.
It is quite possible for us to draw a parallel with an ahistorical event in
order to make a point. Both sides do not need to be true for this to work just
as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Second, Romans 5 does not
have as its central point the proving of Adam's existence. It isn't even meant
to be a peripheral point in Paul's mind. For us to try and make it that today
is quite wrong. The point is to teach that life is to be found in Jesus despite
the fact that death is what we experience today. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Third, as previously stated Paul
is writing with a pre-scientific understanding. He should not be expected to do
anything else and his work does not stand or fall on whether he got the science
right or wrong. A proper understanding of myth as story carrying powerful truth
is an interpretation that works well with Paul's treatment of Adam. After all,
Paul was doing theology when he wrote Romans not doing science.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In the next post we'll look at
how Paul the theologian uses the OT to make his doctrinal points in quite a
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            <title>Towards Reform</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/towards-reform</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Ftowards-reform&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And so we come to the final
and concluding chapter of Roger Mitchell's &lt;i&gt;Church,
Gospel, &amp;amp; Empire&lt;/i&gt;. It has been a challenging read with some difficult
concepts being discussed. His forthcoming 'more accessible' volume will
undoubtedly be welcome! But there is little doubt in my mind that it is a piece
of work that is crucial to grasp and implement for those concerned about seeing
a transformed church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In providing a theological
understanding for what has gone wrong since the fourth century Mitchell has
given us an invaluable tool with which to attempt to first reform and then
release church into her world-changing role. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Reformers&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In his final chapter,
however, he notes once again those reforming voices through the ages who
attempted to do the same thing but who ultimately failed. And he offers three
reasons why this failure happened. First, in trying to reconnect with an older,
truer Christian faith they failed to understand the need to see God through
Jesus and this resulted in them holding onto a sovereign, hierarchical God.
Second, they did not devise an interpretative tool that could have given them a
surer guide on their journey. And third, they did not break free from the
imperial church that eventually dragged them back in to the very heart of the
problem. Despite these issues, however, Mitchell can see some hope in these
movements and is keen to value the potential lying within each of them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Church on the margins&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;It is the book's central
call that the 'connection between sovereign power and eschatological peace'
must be broken. Imperial church must become servant church. Without this 'it is
difficult to see how the church can ever recover from its present
marginalisation and be trusted by the multitude'. Thus Mitchell sees a direct
connection between the current marginalisation of the church and its deep
imperial links. In this he himself is quite a marginalised voice, for in their
call for church to be restored to its central role in society alongside the
power of the state, the majority are actually denying the connection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In this series of posts I'm
sure I haven't done &lt;i&gt;Church, Gospel, &amp;amp;
Empire&lt;/i&gt; justice but I've attempted to give you a flavour of Roger Mitchell's
thinking. I hope I've done enough to draw in more people on the path of what
is, in my view, an essential journey towards recovering the purpose of the body
of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;This post forms a series on
Roger Mitchell’s book &lt;i&gt;Church, Gospel
&amp;amp; Empire&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;a class=&quot;&quot; _fcksavedurl=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/jesus-and-context&quot; href=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/jesus-and-context&quot;&gt;See previous post here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;!-- Lockerz Share BEGIN --&gt;
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            <title>Sacraments and Empty Ritual</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/sacraments-and-empty-ritual</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fsacraments-and-empty-ritual&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;‘The Supper has become an
empty ritual officiated by a clergyman, rather than a shared-life experience
enjoyed by the church.’ These are particularly strong words by Viola and Barna
in &lt;i&gt;Pagan Christianity&lt;/i&gt; in a chapter
tackling both sacraments – Communion and Baptism. Let’s see how they arrive at
this conclusion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Baptism and the sinner's prayer&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Their central point about
Baptism's place in church life is that it was replaced by the ‘sinner’s prayer’
in the nineteenth century. I find this interpretation quite unconvincing. I do
agree that the gap in time between conversion and receiving baptism has become
far too long in many denominations compared to what we see in the New
Testament. There is very little ambiguity there about the fact that those who
decided to follow Jesus were baptized very quickly afterwards. Indeed it seems
in some circumstances that it happened immediately; so much so that &lt;i&gt;PC&lt;/i&gt; argues that this was the way ‘someone
came to the Lord’. Like many, I would disagree that this is what we see in the
NT. Baptism was a sign that someone had already come to faith – albeit a sign
that often happened within minutes of the actual act of receiving faith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;PC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;
also takes issue with that common evangelical phrase about Jesus being our
‘personal Saviour’. This is not a phrase they like, referring to its use as
‘ludicrous’. I partly agree with them, especially when they point out that it
is yet another phrase and concept that ‘reinforces a highly individualistic
Christianity’. What they prefer is to say that Jesus invites us to share in the
relationship he has with his heavenly Father. But since Jesus is seen in
Christian orthodoxy as the second person of the Trinitarian God I’m not sure it
would be wrong for us to say we have a relationship with Jesus also.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Communion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;In sharing their concern
about Communion Viola and Barna trace its development from being a part of a
shared ‘love feast’ to being no more than a ‘tongue-tickling thimble of grape
juice and a tiny, tasteless bite-size cracker’. They focus in particular on the
developments of the medieval church as it decides on the doctrine of
transubstantiation, but while I don’t agree with the Roman Catholic Church on
this interpretation I cannot accept that their version of Communion is mere
‘empty ritual’ no more than is any high church’s version. Ritualistic it may be
but empty of meaning and value it most certainly is not. A far stronger
critique would have been to emphasise the formal nature of such traditions’
administering of Communion – a formality is far from the NT practice of sharing
a meal together.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;What is most disappointing
in this chapter is that it fails to mention anything about the role the
sacraments have to play in regards to the presence of God with his people.
There are many different versions of how this might happen but PC does not
mention it at all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;What do you think? Have the
sacraments lost their original meaning in today’s church? Have they become too
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            <title>Adam's Sin</title>
            <link>http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk/index/adam-s-sin</link>
            <description>&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://www.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk///www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dyfedwynroberts.org.uk%2Findex%2Fadam-s-sin&amp;amp;send=false&amp;amp;layout=standard&amp;amp;width=450&amp;amp;show_faces=false&amp;amp;action=like&amp;amp;colorscheme=light&amp;amp;font&amp;amp;height=35&quot; style=&quot;border:none; overflow:hidden; width:450px; height:35px;&quot; allowtransparency=&quot;true&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the major reasons why
some reject the science of evolution and insist on an historical couple called
Adam and Eve is that to do otherwise would disturb their theology of sin and
salvation. In this theology the sin of Adam is a dramatic fall from perfection
and is inherited by all members of the human race as each new generation is
born. This version, however, is not a plain reading of the text but an interpretation
of it; an interpretation championed by Augustine and widely adopted by the
Western church ever since. There is, though, an alternative.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Irenaeus of Lyons&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;This alternative is actually
older than Augustine's - who was working in the early 5th century - and was
widely adopted by the Eastern church. Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons but born in
Smyrna in around 69 C.E., was one early proponent of this view. Rather than
seeing a perfect man fall to the depths of depravity, Irenaeus believed
humanity sinned because of its immaturity. God did not create man as a fully
formed adult, Irenaeus claimed, but as a being who needed to grow, develop and
mature. At the time of their disobedience they had not gained the wisdom
necessary to fight off the temptation of the serpent. They had no sense of
shame and were innocent - even sexually innocent, claimed Irenaeus. The sin of
Adam was, therefore, a 'childish' one. Furthermore, it did not leave humanity with
a total inability to cooperate with God. In this we find that Irenaeus has a
far more optimistic view of humanity that Augustine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Augustine&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Augustine views the fall
quite differently. In the background to his understanding is the view that
humanity was created a perfect being with all its faculties fully formed. The
view generated here is of a man who was flawless in every way falling into
total depravity resulting in him having no ability whatsoever to cooperate with
God on his own. This was the 'original' sin and through sexual intercourse,
according to Augustine, Adam's sin and its consequences are passed down from
generation to generation. This is how Augustine viewed the idea that we had all
sinned 'in Adam' whereas Irenaeus said that we have all sinned in the same way
as Adam.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;While both theologians
viewed Genesis 2-3 as historical documents, Irenaeus' interpretation - while
not being entirely satisfactory - best fits the evolutionary theory of
creation. In seeing man and creation as needing to grow and develop; in
refusing to see perfection in the pre-fall world (which is more akin to Greek
philosophy than Hebrew thinking) the Bishop of Lyons had actually grasped
something of the scientific truth that is so widely accepted today. And it is also
closer to the biblical account - for there is a sense in the text that man had
room to develop and grow when first created and God declared that his creation
was 'very good' rather than perfect.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;line-height:150%&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Arial;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;Though we may not
necessarily have heard his name, as Christians in the West we have been heavily
influenced by Augustine's theology. His views have shaped both Catholic and
Protestant streams and it is really difficult not to see Augustinian theology
in biblical passages because he is so lodged in our theological worldview. But
as some of these views begin to appear untenable in the face of science, as
well as historical and biblical studies, we are faced with a challenge of
reaching in other directions to find valid interpretations of the Bible. Those
interpretations are available and in many aspects have been available for a
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