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Chill-out Sabbath

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, December 16, 2011, In : Emerging church 



More Wisdom from Tom Wright today, this time on the Sabbath:

"One of the few things that ancient pagans knew about the Jewish people was that, from the pagans’ point of view, they had a lazy day once a week. From the Jewish point of view, it wasn’t laziness; it was the chance to celebrate time in a different mode. The Sabbath was the day when human time and God’s time met, when the day-to-day succession of tasks and sorrows was set aside and one entered a different sort of time, celebrat...

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With Jesus on the Margins

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, December 14, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Was he a total stranger, visiting the synagogue for the very first time? Or had his condition just remained hidden from the leaders and his fellow worshippers over many months, even years? Whatever it was he took a big risk the day he manifested before Jesus (Mark 1:21-28). For to be recognised as having an unclean spirit would have almost certainly meant he would have been banished from the synagogue and probably from the wider community too. Unclean spirits and religious institutions just d...

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Claiming creation

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, December 9, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Tom Wright on the Temple in 1st century Jerusalem:

“It wasn’t, as sacred buildings have been in some other traditions, a retreat from the world. It was a bridgehead into the world. It was the sign that the creator God was claiming the whole world, claiming it back for himself, establishing his domain in the middle of it.”

For 1st century temple, read 21st century church.

Simply Jesus (London, 2011), page 130.


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Loving the enemy - changing the world

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, December 6, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Nobody likes the taxman. But don’t let that be a sufficient analogy as you read the account of Jesus calling Matthew as a disciple. Think instead of losing the Battle of Britain, of a Nazi occupation of the UK, and of your hard-earned money going off to pay for the Third Reich’s ever increasing empire. Taxmen now wear jackboots and have armed guards accompanying them. A little different to our current situation.

Just what was Jesus thinking when he called this most despised of men into his...

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Cleansing the Temple

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, November 16, 2011, In : Emerging church 



In asking the question ‘What would Jesus do?’ in the context of the spat between the Occupy camp and St Paul’s Cathedral a reference was made by some to the Gospel story about Jesus cleansing the Temple in Jerusalem. The inference was that just as Jesus cleared out the Temple of its commercial aspects he would also bring judgement upon St Paul’s tacit support of Western capitalism. Not only was this a simplistic account of the Cathedral’s position it also rests on a wrong interpreta...

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Absent Father

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, November 15, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Reforming my theology can be both easy and difficult at the same time. One of the difficulties is trying to find a new language that gives clear expression to my reforming stance – especially, I find, in my own spirituality. Take the prayer ‘Come, Holy Spirit,’ for example. It slips so easily off the tongue following years of being involved in the charismatic stream.

Absent Father?

But why do I call for the Holy Spirit to come and why do I call for God’s presence when I believe that God...

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The Light by The Proclaimers

Posted by Dyfed on Sunday, November 13, 2011, In : Emerging church 




There are times when all followers of Jesus struggle with their faith - though rarely do they own up to their struggle. At such times what we need is some encouragement but what we sometimes get is someone poking us in the eye and telling us to get over it.

Here's a great song by The Proclaimers about those very same people who have an ability to make us feel guilty about where we're at.

Great lyrics – published below the vid. Enjoy.





The Light

You make it sound easy.

You say just hold out yo...


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Who's the priest?

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, October 28, 2011, In : Emerging church 



I found this quote over at Lesley’s Blog:

So if we ask whether this or that form of ordained ministry models a humanity that looks full or joyful or renewed, maybe that is the crucial question. And frequently the answer is no, for men and for women.

When looking at challenges such as employment practice, work patterns, couples in ministry, and a whole range of issues, we might ask whether this human ministry looks as though it stands for an attractive, a trans­forming and transformed, new hu...

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Rob Bell and Love Wins

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, September 27, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Holiday reading for me this year was Rob Bell’s controversial Love Wins. The typo in the very last line of the UK version makes it an imperfect book and it’s not difficult to see why it has become one of the most contentious books of the year but for me the expansive view of God’s love that it portrays makes it a hit.

Opening a debate
Bell’s writing style isn’t to everybody’s liking but I find it quite refreshing and find myself hearing his spoken voice coming through the printed wo...

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The Genocidal God

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, September 7, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Do the genocide passages of the Old Testament prove problematic to you? They certainly cause me some headaches and I find it increasingly difficult to reconcile those passages from Joshua with what I read about God in Jesus in the Gospels. If you have no problem with God commanding the slaughter of every man, woman, child and animal in a city then maybe you should turn to your second favourite blog today and come back to me tomorrow.

Interpreting the Bible
There are a number of answers to the ...

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Tom Wright and Plato

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Friday, August 26, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Bishop Tom Wright’s book Surprised by Hope seems to be proving popular among a younger generation of Christians. I read it two or three years ago and was deeply challenged. Not that there’s anything new in it, of course, but it was for me quite a revelation and was the starting point for the theological reassessment that I am on.

Resurrection
For those of you who haven’t read it, it’s a book about resurrection – for you, me, and the whole creation. Wright builds his thesis on the foun...

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Finding faith in church

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 23, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian. Or so the saying goes. Well actually, it does. In a survey published some years ago on how people became Christians, it was found that the involvement, contact and, most importantly, the friendship of other Christians was vital in their journey towards God.

Church involvement
Some 86% of those who had become followers of Jesus in adulthood had had some contact with a church in their childhood and 90% said that the involvement of a church – inclu...

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The 2011 Riots

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, August 15, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Like most people I found the London riots  last week shocking. Some of the scenes were quite frightening and the speed with which the whole thing spread to other English cities was especially scary. Among the many things that were hard to stomach about the rioting, however, was the way some of our elected politicians called for a stronger imposition of boundaries and morality on the lives of others while at the same time flouting those very same boundaries themselves. Hypocrisy is quite unapp...

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Hope and disappointment

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, August 8, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As followers of Jesus we are a people with hope within creation and also a people who provide hope for creation. Paul tells the Romans that we ‘wait eagerly’ for the day when we experience the physical redemption of our body through the resurrection and that creation itself will also experience our freedom as God comes to put right all that has gone wrong. ‘In hope we have been saved.’ (Romans 8:24.)

Hope within creation
Because our hope is centred on God redeeming our whole person – ...

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God's Word

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 2, 2011, In : Emerging church 

The authority of the Bible is among the most contentious issues faced today between conservative and reforming (or emerging) churches. ‘The Bible as God’s word is true’ is a phrase that carries a lot of baggage and while on one level I can agree with it I would have to have a list of caveats added-on – not least my belief that it is Jesus who is God’s word and that it is with him that any revelation of God must begin.

But back to the Bible. Is it authoritative in its entirety? Or to ...

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Archaeology and changing truths

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, July 28, 2011, In : Emerging church 

I’ve never really thought of archaeology as an interesting subject. Maybe it’s all that digging around in the mud when the wind and rain suggest you’d be better off cuddled up in front of a roaring fire or maybe it’s the thought of having to play jigsaw with small pieces of pottery that actually don’t make one vase at all but have come from several different examples. Whatever it is, being an archaeologist was never an ambition of mine. So you can imagine my reaction when Helen sugg...

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Taking offence

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, July 27, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Taking offence is the best form of attack. So says the cartoonist Martin Rowson on the New Humanist website (strapline – ‘Ideas for godless people’ - link here). He writes about how difficult it has become to say anything critical about anybody – but about religions in particular. He contextualises his argument in the violence that occurred following the publishing of certain cartoons in a Danish newspaper some years back. That incident of taking offence was connected to followers of ...

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New Creature

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, July 21, 2011, In : Emerging church 

When Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 that we are ‘new creatures’ what did he mean? The issue turns around the meaning of the word ‘new’. The Greek word used here (and in many other places in the New Testament) is ‘kainos’. (There are other Greek words translated by the English ‘new’ and all have slightly different meanings.)

Kainos has a sense that something did in fact pre-exist. So, for example, when Matthew talks about Jesus being buried in a ‘new tomb’ (27:60) this wasn...

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Hellish opinions

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, July 19, 2011, In : Emerging church 

The fire-storm raging over hell and Rob Bell is not dying out, with new books still being published to counter what he said. It seems we’re not going to leave this subject any day soon. Maybe we need saving from it (geddit!?).

One interesting thing that has been overlooked in the whole debate here in the UK is what ordinary evangelicals - as opposed to just book-writing leaders - think about hell. In a survey published long before the Bell controversy erupted the question was asked of some 1...

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Cogs and Machines

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, July 18, 2011, In : Emerging church 

How valued are people once they’re outside paid employment? It is generally believed that those who work have higher self-esteem than those who don’t. Being made redundant is either pitied or frowned upon. Claiming unemployment benefit is increasingly being seen as unacceptable for any length of time. The disabled, sick, or otherwise incapacitated are expected to be tested to a high degree to prove their status beyond any doubt. And the value we place on the elderly is clearly seen in dis...

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God is for stoning?

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, July 12, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Yesterday was the 'International Day Against Stoning'. As is our way of protesting in this internet era I ‘liked’ a page on Facebook to show my support. I find any kind of execution abhorrent – and feel that to do so by stoning must drag humanity to a very low place. Unfortunately we still need campaigns like these because some countries still practice this.

But I have a little problem. We all do as Christians or Jews. Stoning is quite biblical. Indeed according to the New International ...

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Solutions and problems

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, July 5, 2011, In : Emerging church 

 
I was looking for a quote about sustainable development and found this. It comes from an advertising campaign by TOMTOM, the satnav manufacturers. It was meant to persuade us to buy a device that could help us avoid traffic, and probably worked. But it also reminds us that often the problems we face are problems we’ve helped create.

As followers of Jesus should we adding to the world’s problems or being solutions to them?


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Peace revealed to creation

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, July 4, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As we walk through creation trusting that our being the sons and daughters of God is being revealed to it in however a partial way, one of the things needed within us is peace. Peace is one of the big Bible concepts. It is far, far more than the absence of war; it is wholeness, oneness, completeness, security, wellbeing, prosperity, life, abundance. It is God’s plan for his creation.

It is also our internal state when we have a sense that all is well. All may not be well on the outside; we m...

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Becoming God - the doctrine of theosis

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, June 28, 2011, In : Emerging church 


When we become united with God does that mean that we actually change in our essence and become God or is there something more subtle going on? A key teaching among many church fathers was the doctrine of theosis – and indeed it still forms a key teaching within the Eastern Orthodox Church today. A famous quote by Athanasius will give a flavour of this theology: ‘God became man so that men might become gods’.

So back to my question – does this mean that we change in our very nature and...

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Celtic Creation

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Monday, June 27, 2011, In : Emerging church 

 
Does our presence within creation affect our surroundings? Some of the old Celtic saints used to believe so. A couple of weeks ago I referred to the PhD thesis I’ve been reading recently on being revealed to creation – here’s another snippet of what I’ve learned from it.

Some of the Celtic saints had an optimistic view of nature in that while they accepted there was some degree of alienation between humanity and creation because of the fall, they did not believe that creation itself w...

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Widen the circle

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, June 22, 2011, In : Emerging church 
 
Let the circle be wide. So sang Tommy Sands in an evening of Celtic music at Bangor Cathedral last night. Though the evening as a whole was an expression of Celtic Christian spirituality, this particular song was probably not specifically Christian. But … there is something really powerful in the words about including others in the circle of our belonging.

Church – maybe church in general and certainly conservative church – has a tendency to exclude and pull the circle in, making very l...

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Church and belonging

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, June 21, 2011, In : Emerging church 
 
The church appears to be among the best organisations in the UK at keeping people together in a group or community setting. That’s the good news that comes from the latest opinion survey released by Yougov and featured by the BRIN website. The bad news is that of those questioned about what organised group they belonged to only 6% said they belonged to a church or Bible study. (Non-organised community settings – like a pub – were not included in Yougov’s list – a serious weakness p...

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Brian Haw the peace prophet

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, June 20, 2011, In : Emerging church 
 
When the conservative church was so enamoured by George W Bush, was Brian Haw, the peace campaigner who died yesterday, a modern day prophet? I have no idea whether he was even a Christian or not, but I still feel the question should stand. Indeed, maybe the question should be strengthened a little by asking, ‘Was Brian Haw a prophet raised by God to speak to our day’s conservative church about the importance of the key Kingdom values – peace and justice?’

It was a surprise to learn y...

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Church sub-cultures

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, June 16, 2011, In : Emerging church 
 
How cultural is our expression of the Christian faith? How much is our way of doing things – our Sunday services in particular – a sub-culture among other Christian sub-cultures? Some jumbled thoughts for you today because of the sad experience I recently had.

I attended a ‘big meeting’ or as we say in Welsh, ‘cyrddau mawr’. The cyrddau mawr is the annual preaching festival that many a nonconformist chapel would hold as part of their diary of events during the year – though they...

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Creation restored not escaped

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, June 15, 2011, In : Emerging church 

In doing some background reading for my preaching series on Romans 8:19 (sons of God being revealed to creation) I came across a note about a 2nd century writer called Basilides. Apparently he understood the phrase ‘manifestation of the sons of God’ as ‘the ascent of those who have sonship from the lower to the higher realms’ and there the ‘divine spark in them will come into contact with god’ and they will thus ‘escape bodily existence’.

This teaching, though quite fashionable...

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The tongue from hell

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, June 8, 2011, In : Emerging church 

You thought that last week's post on Gehenna was the last one? Hah! Hell is eternal and so is this series!

There is one last use of the word Gehenna in the New Testament – James 3:6 – where the author says that the human tongue is very dangerous and that its untamed effects can have far reaching consequences. The origin of this danger is ‘hell’ [Gehenna].

In wanting to underline how destructive our speech can be James uses the imagery of fire, saying that a great forest can be set ablaz...

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The End is Now

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, June 6, 2011, In : Emerging church 
Being revealed to creation as the children of God has been my preaching theme for the past few Sundays. The key thought comes from Romans 8:19 where Paul says that creation is waiting with eager anticipation for the sons of God to be revealed – and it must surely be right to include daughters of God in there as well. I think it’s akin to the act of celebrating communion being itself a proclamation of the good news about Jesus (1 Cor 11:26). That is, just by being the adopted children of G...

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Final thoughts on Gehenna

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, June 2, 2011, In : Emerging church 

The final reference to Jesus using the word Gehenna in the Gospels is to be found in Luke 12:5 – ‘But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the one who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell [Gehenna]; yes I tell you, fear him’. From the context there is little doubt that Jesus is referring here to what could happen to us after death. There is no need to fear those who can kill us, he says, for there is no more that they can do. Rather, fear the one – presumably God – wh...

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Rapture

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, May 25, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As is now obvious to everybody, the rapture didn’t take place on Saturday – and it was never going to. While the return of Jesus to his creation is a fully biblical theology, I don’t believe the same can be said about the ‘rapture of the saints’. From the many Tweets, Facebook updates and blogs I’ve read it seems that there is some confusion between the two but they are most definitely not the same. I want to return to the whole issue of eschatology as explained by fundamentalist ...

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Gehenna and purifying fire

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, May 24, 2011, In : Emerging church 

In Mark’s Gospel the word Gehenna appears only three times and all of them in the one passage and this passage is very similar to the ones Matthew records about Jesus’s teaching on ethical living. In order to keep from falling into sin he suggests we should cut off our hand or foot or pluck out our eye (Mark 9:43, 45, 47). Better to limp into heaven than skip into hell. Few would disagree with the view that Jesus was using hyperbolic and figurative language here to make a point about the ...

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Revealing God as Father

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, May 23, 2011, In : Emerging church 
 
If creation is waiting eagerly for the sons of God to be revealed (Romans 8:19) (see previous posts here and here) then that we are his adopted children is a key point (8:15). Paul says that creation has been dragged into its current state by sinful humanity and is now eagerly expecting its restoration. The sign of that restoration – the offer of hope – is brought to it by seeing a restored humanity, the first-fruits of God’s restorative work.

And as Paul is obviously keen to point out,...

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Verifying healings

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Friday, May 20, 2011, In : Emerging church 



The Derren Brown film on healing is still causing me to ask some questions. Here’s one for today: should all miraculous healings be verified by doctors and then regularly checked for permanency? Doing this would cover two aspects of concern, namely that the person either wasn’t that ill or disabled to begin with and that the healing was the result of hype in the meeting or street encounter.

Brown asserted that some healings of return of sight, for example, were because the person was onl...

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Paul as anti-imperialist

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, May 19, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Is Paul’s concern the salvation of individuals or is it far broader than that? New Perspective people certainly fall into the second category and see Paul’s writings as being concerned with far more than just the individual’s relationship with God. Tom Wright in particular has emphasised Paul’s view on the whole of creation being restored rather than just disembodied souls flying off to heaven for eternity. Here, the corporate is as important as the singular.

One key insight being brou...

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Gehenna and national judgement

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, May 17, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As we know, Jesus could be really tough on those men of faith who were consistently hypocritical. Time and again he used harsh words when he spoke to them and the Gospels paint a picture of these religious men pitted against Jesus and his message of love and forgiveness. We find one of the highlights (or is that lowlights?) of this sub-plot in Matthew 23 where we find our next two examples of Jesus using the word Gehenna. In verse 15 Jesus takes a pot shot at the missionary endeavours of the ...

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Paul and Judaism

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, May 12, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As every good Christian knows, Saul of Tarsus experienced a dramatic conversion on his way to Damascus – or did he? The New Perspective on Paul would question this reading of the passages in Acts. It’s partly down to your definition of the word ‘conversion’, of course, but based on the meaning that a person changes from one religion (or non-religion) to another, Saul experienced no such thing.

To begin with, the NPP school would argue, in Paul’s day Christianity was not seen as a sep...

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An eternal Gehenna?

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, May 10, 2011, In : Emerging church 

In Matthew 18:8-9 the theme of what causes us to stumble and sin is touched upon once again by Jesus as he suggests that the limbs that cause us trouble should be cut off. A very similar passage in 5:29-30 has been discussed previously but let me re-cap here that I believe that Jesus is not to be taken literally when he, for example, tells us to gouge out our eye if it causes us to sin. After all, we would have very few limbs left if we were to follow such a suggestion to its conclusion.

So wh...

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Being loved

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, May 4, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Traditionally, church has asked us to do two things where the unbelieving world is concerned: tell them about God’s love and show them that love in practical ways by serving them, accepting them as they are etc. Nothing wrong with that, you say, and I agree.

But I want to add one other thing we need to be doing that involves God’s love – showing creation what it is to be loved. If creation is waiting ‘eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God’ (Romans 8:19) then it surely it is wa...

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Derren Brown - faith builder

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, April 28, 2011, In : Emerging church 

I like Derren Brown. And if that amounts to the most heretical statement since Rob Bell denied the existence of hell, so be it. I’ve only recently caught up with the guy but having watched some of his programmes online and checked-out his website, I’ve become a fan.

Now it’s only my opinion but his film on Easter Monday wasn’t his best in terms of building suspense and he came over as being quite cynical...


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Anglesey's Mardi Gras

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, April 14, 2011, In : Emerging church 

This weekend sees the first ever Mardi Gras on Anglesey – an occasion described by the organisers as ‘the largest gay event ever in the history of north Wales’. Promising a festival atmosphere the organisers have a number of live musical acts and DJs to entertain the crowds, including the duo made famous by the XFactor – Diva Fever.

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Paul in context

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, April 13, 2011, In : Emerging church 

As every good preacher knows, context is everything. Taking a verse out of its context can be quite dangerous (in relative terms, that is – no one’s going to die because you do it). Crucial to the New Perspective on Paul, therefore, is reading Paul in his own cultural context.

Second Temple Judaism (formerly known as the ‘intertestamental period’) is the period that covers the time both Jesus and Paul walked the ea...


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Gehenna as a place of annhiliation

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Following on from the last post about Gehenna being a place of destruction the same meaning is to be found in the next verse to be considered – Matthew 10:28 - 'Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell'. The historical context to be taken into account here is that Matthew wrote his gospel during a time of persecution and it is sugges...


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Hell as a weapon

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, April 11, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Could it be that the threat of hell is one of the church’s most potent weapons in the attempt to control people? It certainly seemed that way in Louis Theroux’s film on the Phelps family last week. I’ve blogged previously about this church (or should that be cult?) and the way they spew out their hatred of all but themselves but Theroux’s insightful film took the lid off a pretty disturbing set-up.

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Gehenna and adultery

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, March 31, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Adultery of the heart is a very serious issue in Jesus’ view. But in teaching about it did he actually mean that eternal punishment in a fiery hell would be the consequence of not getting the issue sorted? In using the word Gehenna in Matthew 5:29-30 is this the picture of hell he had in mind?

First things first, Jesus takes ethical living in the here and now very seriously. There is no escaping this, not just on the issue...


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A New Perspective on Paul

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 29, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Biblical studies and theology can be either as dry as dust or explosive. For explosive think Rob Bell on eternity or Karl Barth on Romans; for dry as dust try … No – I won’t fall into that one. But I am in the middle of one book on a subject that has the potential of being a bomb thrown into the middle of our church life. In The New Perspective on Paul Kent L. Yinger (great name!) gives a broad overview of a school of...


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Japan's disaster and judgement

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, March 17, 2011, In : Emerging church 

‘Tenbatsu’ is apparently a Japanese word for ‘divine judgement’ and earlier this week the governor of the region worst hit by the earthquake and tsunami in northern Japan has apologised for suggesting that the disaster was God’s judgement upon an egotistical nation.

I know nothing about Japan’s religion – though I gather that it contains a syncretistic mix of various religions – and cannot say whether this ...


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Gehenna as a court room

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, March 16, 2011, In : Emerging church 

In the previous post I sketched out some detail about the word ‘Gehenna’ – and suggested that its use in referring to hell was developing in the period between the two testaments. It is probably fair to suggest, therefore, that in Jesus’ time the word conjured up different pictures for different people and it may be that even Jesus himself did not have one consistent thought in mind when using the word. After all, met...


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The Ordinariate

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, March 10, 2011, In : Emerging church 

The ‘maverick’ Church of England lost some 600 members yesterday – leading one wit to comment that they had given up church for Lent. They left for many reasons but it would appear that the Anglicans’ decision to ordain women as bishops was the final straw for them.

Whether they are right or wrong is not for me to say but under proposals drawn up by Pope Benedict, they will join a brand new branch of the Roman Cat...


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An atheist interprets the Bible

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, In : Emerging church 

‘An atheist with a huge respect for religion’ has been employed by the BBC to present a new series on the Bible. Those of you with high blood pressure may want to stop reading this post now, lie down for a bit, and come back to it later. The series’ title is The Bible’s Buried Secrets and it’s obvious from the write-up in yesterday’s Telegraph that it will contain much to stir up screaming headlines in the conserv...


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Jesus and Gehenna

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, In : Emerging church 

The Gospel authors have Jesus using the word Gehenna eleven times and it is a word that is invariably translated as ‘hell’. So it is a word that we have to take seriously. In subsequent posts I will look in more detail as to how Jesus used the word and in what context, though it is worth noting that in not one of these verses is there a clear indication that Jesus had eternal punishment in mind.

But more of that later....


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Jesus and hell

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, March 3, 2011, In : Emerging church 

There is no doubting that Jesus talked about hell – a lot. The problem we have, of course, is that when we read our English (or Welsh, French, German etc.) Bible and we see the word ‘hell’ being used, without doing some digging we can’t see what the original Greek was that the English is translating. I’m no Biblical language scholar but there are enough books and computer programmes available that makes the job a li...


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Rob Bell and heresy

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, February 28, 2011, In : Emerging church 

People have been saying Rob Bell is a heretic for a long time. Just Google his name and ‘heretic’ to find out what they’ve been saying. So this latest spat (here) over an upcoming book just fits into the historical context that surrounds the guy. He has consistently said things that aren’t quite in line with the dominant conservative Christian culture and because of it he’s taken a few hits by his many detractors....


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Saul's journey to the margins

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, February 21, 2011, In : Emerging church 



They’re such small details, I missed them for years. But they reflect perfectly the shift in power in Paul’s life – from a man of status, clout and influence to being dependent on a hitherto unknown character, and all in the space of one chapter. (Part of the reason why I missed these details has probably got something to do with the fact that we generally read Acts 9 for evidence of the classic evangelical conversion experience. It can be found there, of course, but there is so much ...

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Hell's location

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, February 18, 2011, In : Emerging church 

I’m going to give you more hell again in today’s post. I have often heard it described as a place where God does not exist, a place that is outside of God’s presence, and a place where the people sent there are totally separated from God. Not a place, we can all agree, that any of us would want to be there.

I’ve been meditating a lot recently on Colossians 1:15-20 – a passage that sings the praises of Jesus. (My particular interest in it has been about human worth – but that’...

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Justice - not punishing but restoring

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, February 10, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Let’s return to Sodom for a while and see what more we can learn about hell and eternal punishment from that story in Genesis 18. Abraham is very presumptive as he pleads for the city and couches his intercession in the belief that God will do what is right: ‘Shall not the judge of the whole earth deal justly?’ he asks, putting God on the spot somewhat.

Now it is obvious from the story – from Abraham’s pleading and fro...


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Hell and Christian Universalism

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, February 4, 2011, In : Emerging church 

Hell. How hot will it get? How loud will the screams be? Was Dante correct in suggesting there will be different levels there? Is the whole concept biblical anyway, or to put it another way is hell real? Tough questions and as yet I have few answers. But I have been doing some thinking and reading and being the clever sod that I am, I’ll get there. (Just in case you missed it, there was some irony in that last sentence.)

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Blessing our persecutors

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, February 3, 2011, In : Emerging church 

If fear is the reaction to Christian persecution we should most be wary of, then committing ourselves to God’s care is probably the most positive thing we can do. In this series I have looked at Christian persecution from a biblical point of view in some detail because there is so much talk about it within the conservative church in the UK. And although I can see how the church is losing influence and privilege in the West toda...


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Fear and Christian Persecution

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, January 27, 2011, In : Emerging church 

In my last post on Christian persecution I focussed on the issue of ‘falling away’ which, according to Scripture, is one response we will see in the face of Christians being persecuted for their faith. This is obviously a negative reaction and in warning us about it Jesus was hoping that we would be able to guard against it happening. But it is not th...


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Christian persecution and falling away

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, January 20, 2011, In : Emerging church 

One of the consequences of persecuting Christians is that some, according to Scripture, will ‘fall away’. Obviously this is not a good response! There are other responses that Jesus does not want to see from us in the face of persecution but I feel that ‘falling away’ probably deserves a post on its own. In my first post on the subject of Christian persecution I noted how Jesus said that those who follow him would f...


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Some of my best friends are anarchists

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, January 19, 2011, In : Emerging church 

An anarchist group in Cardiff was turned away from any acts of protest by being persuaded to spend more time down the pub. What a gem of a story! But it’s true apparently. An undercover policeman (they turn up everywhere these days) infiltrated the group and instead of acting like some agent provocateur and getting them to break the law he dragged them to the pub and got them drinking. He made friends with them; cared for...


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Christian Persecution

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Wednesday, January 12, 2011, In : Emerging church 



Christians are not being persecuted in the UK today. Despite all the stirring up of certain stories in some quarters of the church and despite even the launch of a campaign by one group as a defiant stand against the so-called trend to silence Christian witness, the truth is rather more mundane – in the Western world today the church does not find itself in danger and there is very little Christian persecution.

That does...


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2011 and new ideas

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, January 4, 2011, In : Emerging church 


This will probably surprise you but there’s a lot I know nothing about. Last night I was reminded about one subject area where my understanding and knowledge is as low as it could possible be – astronomy. The BBC is broadcasting live over three nights on the subject giving some very basic information for those of us who ‘know nothing’.

What fascinated me as much as anything, however, was how astronomers seem to have ...


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Filters and truth

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, December 23, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Can any of us be totally objective about what we read, see, hear etc? Do we not all have our filters – pre-determined by the life we’ve lived and experienced? When we read the Bible, for example, can we be sure that we understand what we’re meant to through these filters? I ask in the days when Vince Cable has lost his power over deciding whether Murdoch should have sole ownership of BSkyB and when there are now doubts abou...


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The Second Coming never comes

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, December 9, 2010, In : Emerging church 

‘The Great Disappointment’ was the name given to the non-showing of Jesus on 22 October 1844 – the day many thousands in the Millerite movement in the US had expected Jesus’ second coming. On Friday last I posted a report about another, current, movement that expects the date to be the 21 May 2011. Over the centuries many groups have professed to know the day of Jesus’ parousia and all, so far, have got it wrong....


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Mission and localism

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, December 6, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Wesley once claimed that the whole world was his parish, but in these days of counting carbon footprints I’m not sure how PC that suggestion is. Localism seems to be more in tune with our times and as far as mission is concerned that’s true for church as well.

I was drawn to preach on Matthew 11:1 yesterday where it says that after spending time teaching them Jesus went with his disciples ‘to their cities’ in order...


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A lazy Sunday morning

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, November 22, 2010, In : Emerging church 

It's 10.30 on Sunday morning - so what on earth am I doing in front of my computer at home writing this and not 'in church'? Shocking!!! Well before you get too uppity with me, it's only family circumstances that have kept me home today. It's my turn to look after my mum-in-law who's not been well recently and it’s Helen's turn to preach. So here I am - enjoying a lazy Sunday morning.

What have I done so far? Well I've che...


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The Joy Revolution and the Lord of Glory

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, November 18, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Bliss, ecstasy and joy are supposed to mark our new and renewing life in Jesus. Some call it the joy revolution but because I’m such a miserable so-and-so most of the time, it’s an emphasis I have struggled with it. Coming under the Lordship of Jesus, however, has to mean more than just a ‘new obedience’ as Moltmann refers to it.

The danger Moltmann sees in only emphasising the lordship of Jesus when thinking of the ...


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Dominion over the other

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, November 11, 2010, In : Emerging church 

True dominion does not consist of enslaving others but in becoming a servant of others; not in the exercise of power, but in the exercise of love; not in being served but in freely serving; not in sacrificing the subjugated but in self-sacrifice.

So says Jurgen Moltmann in the context of the Lordship of Jesus. His Lordship is very different compared to the lordships displayed in this world and it is this character that the church ...


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Doing mission differently - Justin Abraham and Ben Taylor

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, November 5, 2010, In : Emerging church 

In yesterday’s post I asked whether Jesus’ criticism of the Pharisees’ mission methods could be applied to the church of today. Their religion-based mission was as contrary to the Jesus way as their religion-based living. The question that needs asking, of course, is this: is there another way of doing mission or are we stuck in the old ways? In this post I want to share the links of a couple of examples of what is ha...


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Church mission - how religious is it?

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, November 4, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Mission: we all know its importance but many of us also groan inwardly when we hear the word brought up in church meetings. While there are plenty of new and innovative ideas being used out there for church mission, we somehow still cringe at the images of tracts with curled-up corners and intense conversations on the door-step that the term ‘church mission’ conjures up in our mind. As with every other part of our spiri...


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Giving up on church?

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, November 3, 2010, In : Emerging church 

A link to another blog for you today. Over at NewReformation Len Sweet is always challenging in his writing on the issue of reforming the church and especially on leadership issues. In this post he has a parody of the Good Samaritan. Hope you like it. Come back with any comments – I’d love to hear your thoughts on this one.



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Moltmann and the church - 4

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, October 27, 2010, In : Emerging church 

What is the church? It seems that for many it is the place we go to in order to flee from the world and all the mess that’s a part of it; a place where we can escape to because it is separate from the world. Moltmann gives a very different answer. The church, he says, is ‘not “the not-world”; it is the world which is now already turning anew to the future of God because it follows the call of freedom’ (page 83).

In...


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Moltmann and the church - 3

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, October 7, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Holding onto state privileges seems to take up a lot of church energy these days, especially on the conservative wing. As it is pushed further to the margins because of the ongoing secularisation of the West, voices within church are heard protesting against this trend.

In understanding the church’s existence as a partner within God’s mission in the world Moltmann offers this devastating critique of the protest:

If the church...


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Moltmann and the church - 2

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, September 30, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Context is everything, right? Everything happens within a context and so often it is the context that shapes what happens – rightly or wrongly. This is as true about the church as anything else and Jürgen Moltmann (Church in the Power of the Spirit) encourages us to understand the church within its context – namely God’s dealing with the world. After all, says Moltmann, the church is like the moon in that it has no light of ...


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Science and interpreting the Bible

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, September 28, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Galileo - wiser than your averege man

I was intending to take Physics as one of my ‘O’ level subjects in school and then I got 25% in my end of year three exam. They suggested I did Art instead. So you should be aware of how little knowledge and understanding I have of science as you read this post today. But Stephen Hawking’s latest foray into the world of religion has got me thinking – or rather the Christian response to...


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Jesus is Lord 4

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, September 23, 2010, In : Emerging church 

This is the last of a short series this week on the Lordship of Jesus.

I began this series by suggesting how essential it is for followers of Jesus to be open to the Holy Spirit. Not to do so is to risk being led by forces other than God and, as Jurgen Moltmann says, seeing the church waste away. One of those forces is fear and so many of us – maybe even all of us – have been affected by fear in our lives. Fear often m...


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Jesus is Lord 3

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, September 22, 2010, In : Emerging church 

This is the third in a short series this week on the Lordship of Jesus.

Could Jesus have knocked this world into better shape if he had come as the son of an emperor rather than a son of a carpenter? After all, that’s where the power lay in those days. The Roman emperor had almost absolute power over the land covered by his rule – which was extensive in Jesus’ day. As a political and military leader very little was o...


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Jesus is Lord 2

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, September 21, 2010, In : Emerging church 

This post is the second of a series this week on the Lordship of Jesus.

‘Jesus is Lord of all or not at all.’ It’s a rather twee evangelical phrase, but we all know what it means: either Jesus is Lord over all aspects of my life or he’s not my Lord in any aspect. I think I would dispute its supposed truth since we’re all on a journey of yielding to him – but let’s not start an argument this early! What I propos...


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Jesus is Lord

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, September 20, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Being open to the leading of the Holy Spirit is essential for us as individual and collective followers of Jesus. When we choose not to be open, suggests Jurgen Moltmann, then the church will waste away as we fail to hear what the Spirit is saying to us at any given time. We will not hear words of hope; we will not receive our instructions in mission; we will not receive the power needed to see the Kingdom grow.

We hear this...


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Baptism at Emmanuel Church Anglesey

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, September 13, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Very rarely do I blog about our church but after yesterday’s baptism I can’t help it! Overall it was an awesome day. We’re a very small congregation of which at 44 I am the youngest and though there are some of us who are Welsh speakers, Emmanuel is an English language church. We usually meet in Trearddur Bay village, but we changed venue for our time together yesterday since the person being baptised, Jean...


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Moltmann and the church -1

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, September 8, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Men and fires are a combination made in heaven. So when Helen said yesterday that she had four bin bags of Post Office rubbish to destroy I could not resist putting down Moltmann and going with her to make a fire. I had only just begun reading The Church in the Power of the Spirit (London, English translation 1977) when she called. But I still have a couple of quotes for you today!

In referring to the crisis that was (and still ...


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Nominal Christianity and culture

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, September 6, 2010, In : Emerging church 

There are only around 600,000 of us. We’re squeezed into a small strip of land on the fringes of Western Europe. In the 1960s we faced a real struggle for survival though there has been a modest improvement since then. We generally lack self confidence and often feel we have to prove ourselves better than our nearest neighbour. But the amount of talent we have seems to be astounding. I’m talking about Welsh speakers and...


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Kevin Prosch and congregational worship

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 31, 2010, In : Emerging church 

During the Reformation in the 16th century an emphasis was put on the whole of the church congregation being involved in worship. Psalms were put to music and hymns were written in order to help with this process and so worship became associated with community hymn singing. At the time this was a novelty as the Catholic Church had reduced worship to be almost exclusively the action of the priests alone.

Over the weekend I ...


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An angry god - part 2

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, August 26, 2010, In : Emerging church 

A little more on the angry god today.

One of my favourite biblical passages is Romans 5:6-11. Here Paul tells us how Jesus died for us while we were still in our sin and thereby proving his love for us. Clearly God’s love for us was the motivation for the cross and not the other way around. The death of Jesus did not open the way for him to love us, he already did so.

But it is verse 10 that is possibly the most amazing...


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How angry is your god today?

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, August 25, 2010, In : Emerging church 

On a scale of 1 to 10 (where 10 is very angry), how angry is God with you today? In answering this question don’t respond in the way you think you should, rather try giving it your gut reaction. Your answer will reflect a number of things – not least your own upbringing at home, where your understanding of God’s fatherhood will have been heavily influenced by your parents. But the answer will also be influenced by your ...


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A theological journey

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 17, 2010, In : Emerging church 

I’ve just finished Via and Gagnon’s Homosexuality and the Bible: Two views. With only 117 pages it’s only a short book – but the subject it discusses has become a massive issue for the church today. The Anglican Church is pretty much split down the middle on it and the level of anger that it stirs up within the conservative churches is significant. It seems to be the issue that defines where you stand in your theolo...


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A holy priesthood - 3

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, August 16, 2010, In : Emerging church 

In the last post I explained how believers have no need for a special priesthood to stand between them and God and how all believers are priests through being united with Jesus. If this is our belief then it must have practical implications in the worshipping and teaching life of the church (you may want to add ‘and sacramental life’).

All believers are, therefore, able to share in the functions of a worshi...


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Big Tent Christianity - in Wales

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 10, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Wales – the land of male voice choirs, coal mines, and of course the land of revivals. This is the picture that comes to mind for most people who live outside the nation when Wales is mentioned – that’s if they’ve ever heard of the place at all. Well hold on right there – they shut down the mines in the 1980s, the choirs prefer to sing pop songs to traditional hymns, and we haven’t had a revival for over a hundr...


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A holy priesthood - 2

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Monday, August 9, 2010, In : Emerging church 

In this post I want to look at the biblical mandate for believing that all followers of Jesus are priests. The idea of a priesthood is, of course, older than the NT church. Priests had an essential role in OT times when they acted as intermediaries between God and the people of Israel. Their key role was in offering various sacrifices to God on behalf of the people in the Temple.

But in Jesus this priestly role ...


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Quitting Christianity - Rice and McLaren

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, August 5, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Not being into vampires I hadn’t heard of Anne Rice until I read about all the fuss she kicked up over her quitting Christianity. She has apparently announced on Facebook that she can’t be doing with all the intolerant nonsense preached in Christ’s name and that she is un-following the religion. She isn’t turning away from Jesus, however, since she finds nothing wrong with him. It’s just most of his followers that...


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A holy priesthood - 1

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, August 3, 2010, In : Emerging church 

Priest: a person ordained to act as a mediator between God and man in administering the sacraments, preaching etc. (Collins Concise Dictionary.)

Is there such a thing as a ‘priest’ in the church today? The answer, of course, is yes and no. As Martin Luther said, we are all each other’s priest – so there’s the ‘yes’; but as Jesus has done away with the Old Testament priestly role through being our great high-priest, ...


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Some thoughts following my visit to Occupy London.

October 27th 2011

Ok so there’s plenty to disagree with but this is such a good song.

October 12th 2011
There are so many draining things we can focus on during the day: how we appear to others, how much others do or don’t respect us, how we can get people to do what we want. But once we become aware of the negative impact of these areas of focus, we can get clear on - even excited about - who we really want to be … We can shift our focus toward qualities like mercy, gentleness, courage, and the many others that bring true joy in our lives and in the lives of others.

Sasha Silverman and Malcom Smith

via MinEmergent

October 5th 2011
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